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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:15 am    Post subject: Revell 1970 Superbird Reply with quote

How hard, or easy is it to convert the current Revell Superbird into one that Petty used in the 70s?Different engine, chassis modified? I don't think it comes with a roll cage. Not sure if this has been already discussed....new here....J
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: Revell 1970 Superbird Reply with quote

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How hard, or easy is it to convert the current Revell Superbird into one that Petty used in the 70s?Different engine, chassis modified? I don't think it comes with a roll cage. Not sure if this has been already discussed....new here....J


I just looked at my Revell Pro Modeller kit, and it's a decent kit to start with for a cup build. The cage isn't complete, and you will need to scratch the rest of it, and the hoop under the hood as well, or just add the AMT Ford cup cage. Suspension is decent front, and rear but will need some more detail added. Has a nice race hemi engine with headers, and dumps. The race tires, and wheels are terrible in the kit, so look for something else in 1:25th scale that will work. I'm blessed as I have a ton of old tires, and wheels that I can sort through until I find some that "look" correct 1:25th scale for this car. Hope this helps some.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Revell 1970 Superbird Reply with quote

"Fireball" wrote:
DaytonaGuy wrote:
How hard, or easy is it to convert the current Revell Superbird into one that Petty used in the 70s?Different engine, chassis modified? I don't think it comes with a roll cage. Not sure if this has been already discussed....new here....J


I just looked at my Revell Pro Modeller kit, and it's a decent kit to start with for a cup build. The cage isn't complete, and you will need to scratch the rest of it, and the hoop under the hood as well, or just add the AMT Ford cup cage. Suspension is decent front, and rear but will need some more detail added. Has a nice race hemi engine with headers, and dumps. The race tires, and wheels are terrible in the kit, so look for something else in 1:25th scale that will work. I'm blessed as I have a ton of old tires, and wheels that I can sort through until I find some that "look" correct 1:25th scale for this car. Hope this helps some.


You're thinking of the Pro-Modeler Daytona, the question was about the old 1/24 scale Revell-Monogram Superbird.

It's not an easy conversion, depending on your tolerance for inaccuracy. Biggest thing from an exterior appearance standpoint is the vinyl roof that needs to be sanded smooth without losing the definition of the drip rails and window trim. The Revell-Monogram '71 'Cuda can supply the engine but you're on your own for a single carb intake. You can probably adapt a cage from a Monogram Thunderbird NASCAR kit, along with other bits and pieces in 1/24 scale.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldnt be too hard. Im currently doing a Dodge Charger Daytona doing Bobby Issac car.Im useing the stock revell daytona stripped out the interior. Im gonna have to cut out the inner fender wells and the wheel wells. Im using PPP wheels and tires and PPP Roll cage. ill post sum pics when i can.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed Thanks for straightening me out on that Tom. I don't recall the Monogram kit having a cage, but it does have a vinyl top molded in, and is 1:24th scale. I have built a Petty bird out of one of these kits, used a Monogram Ford cup cage, and a hemi engine from another kit. I don't recall that kit coming with a hemi, if my memory serves me correctly it comes with the 440. Was not that difficult of a build, sanding the top off was the worst part of it. BTW, the tutorial by Wing Car Builder that Indy shows is an excellent reference source on these race car builds.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chapter 8 of Bill Coulter's book shows how to convert a Revell '71 GTX into a NASCAR racer. The principles used in this conversion can be used to convert the Revell Superbird as well. The measurements are different due to the differences between the GTX and Superbird floors. For a roll cage donor as well as other parts you will need a Revell eighties Grand Prix, Monte Carlo or Regal. As Tom has already pointed out, for an engine donor you will need a Revell 1/24th 1971 'Cuda. The bathtub intake manifold and the headers will have to be made. If you don't have a copy of Mr. Coulter's excellent book, PM me your address, and I will photocopy the article and mail it to you.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a dumb ? If someone still make the manifold in resin could you cut it 4 half add material and make it work. And used 1/25 header may be possible. 1/24 = 0.041666 or 0.042" and 1/25 = 0.040" isn't but 0.002" popcorn
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bathtub intake manifold found in the Model King kits, which are incorrect for those cars, is a surprisingly good fit. You might even get away with using the generic headers from those kits. Presto! A race hemi! Also make sure to use a fan blade that does not have a fan clutch. In real life if you spun one of these at 7000 RPM for long enough, it would come apart at that speed with obvious unpleasant results.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mastered an intake and air box years ago and Ron Andrews casts it in resin.




Here is his Web site address and order info.
http://www.freewebs.com/rmrresin/nforderingcontact.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also save yourself a lot of time and use the JoHan superbird for your project. best results. I did a Revell 20 yrs ago and thru it in the parts box terrible body on it. if you look closely you'll notice the roof is not scale to the car. so save yourself some grief and looking for parts to work and the end result you will be happier with. oh one tip tho is I use the Revell superbird nose on my Johans it files down perfectly. the one in the kit has the indents for the blackout and it looks to narrow for my liking. so if you done wanna use it Ron casts the nose to. here is the Ramo Stott bird I'm still working on.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the good info.....should use Jo Han kit but I just got a deal that can't be beat with a stick. The Revell kit for a whopping $16 and NO shipping charges! What I need to know is where to find Petty decals and I have seen a Superbird, supposedly 43 that had Northstar Truck and Van Lines on the rear quarter? It does come with the 440 and NOT a 426 Hemi....got to scrounge that else where.....J
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wingcar builder wrote:
I mastered an intake and air box years ago and Ron Andrews casts it in resin.




Here is his Web site address and order info.
http://www.freewebs.com/rmrresin/nforderingcontact.htm

Does Ron still cast them, i did not see it on his when I checked last?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The button in the upper right hand says edit/delete, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to delete this duplicate post.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="DaytonaGuy"]Thanks for all the good info.....should use Jo Han kit but I just got a deal that can't be beat with a stick. The Revell kit for a whopping $16 and NO shipping charges! What I need to know is where to find Petty decals and I have seen a Superbird, supposedly 43 that had Northstar Truck and Van Lines on the rear quarter? It does come with the 440 and NOT a 426 Hemi....got to scrounge that else where.....

Mike's Decals lists a Powerslide/Yesterday's sheet for the 1970-71 Road Runner/Superbird. The best donor for a hemi would be the Revell '71 'Cuda.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rocketman wrote:
wingcar builder wrote:
I mastered an intake and air box years ago and Ron Andrews casts it in resin.




Here is his Web site address and order info.
http://www.freewebs.com/rmrresin/nforderingcontact.htm

Does Ron still cast them, i did not see it on his when I checked last?



shoot him an email or call the number listed and just tell him what you need.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so to "basically" get this rolling-pun intended- I need a roll cage,window net, 426 Hemi and decals. Thats just the "basics"-never mind correct manifold, carb, exhaust, shocks, wheels, etc......J
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decals here, from Mikes, and he'll have PPP wheels too :

http://www.mikesdecals.com/product_info.php?products_id=120
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I ordered the decals and they come with decals for Petty 1971 Roadrunner. I have access to 2 kits, is the Revell 1971 GTX better to use than the Monogram 1971 Satellite? Thanks...J
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're the same basic kit, but I think the GTX version has the more correct hood. It has the one with the hockey stick creases and the air grabber in the center, you will want to use that hood but remove the bulge and air grabber and fill the area between the hockey stick creases with a flat piece of styrene.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tom. Picked one up and I'll start a build thread as soon as I get working on it. May do this one first......J
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave Ron one of the Satelite hoods as well, don't know if he cast it yet or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got the kit in the mail, I looked at some reference pictures and the body looks like a roadrunner and the roof looks correct in size, shape and scale. I don't see where it looks so wrong, just needs the vinyl roof sanded.
Guess I don't have an artists eye idunno -----J
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This site has some good Petty '71 Satellite pics. Enjoy!---John
http://mopardealer.com/petty2.htm
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