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Pierre Rivard



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:44 pm    Post subject: 63 Chevy trash to display shelf challenge Reply with quote

When I started building 4 years ago one of my first projects was this:
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Beginner atempting brush painting a black and gold car...man was it ugly!
It never made it to the display cabinet...and made it in and out of the trash bin a few times. Twisted Evil
Lately I striped and sanded the body. I'd like to salvage it into this:
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Starting with this pile of parts...and these decals of uncertain quality...
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Let's see if it makes it to the display cabinet or ends up in the trash for good.
Gentlemen, make your bets ! Confused
Stay tuned for updates
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your decals are yellowed. They may be brittle and even breakup. lobographix makes a great decal for that car and it is reasonable also. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually buy from Mikes who ships in Canada. Do you know where I can get Lobo Graphic decals?
thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I usually buy from Mikes who ships in Canada. Do you know where I can get Lobo Graphic decals?
thanks.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:22 am    Post subject: #3 Johnson decals Reply with quote

Hello, you can contact us at:
Lobo43decals@yahoo.com

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Lori & Bob
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pierre, great to see you have a wip going for your Junior build. You might try putting the decals in some sunlight for a couple of days to see if the yellow goes away. I have never tryed this myself, so I dont know if it works or not. If it does, then put a coat of future on them and see if they work . Or just get the lobo graphics. Probably a lot less trouble.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the advice. I just coat the whole sheet with Future? This is to reduce the risk of breaking them I assume, and then I will have to cut around each decal individually right?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pierre Rivard wrote:
Thank you for the advice. I just coat the whole sheet with Future? This is to reduce the risk of breaking them I assume, and then I will have to cut around each decal individually right?


You dont have to do the whole sheet just make sure each decal is covered, and yes you will have to cut them out on their edge because you will have a clear border to where you cut them at, if that makes sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So starting on this re-build, I chose to start with painting the body. I want to test these decals before I am too far ahead on other work.
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Painted Vallejo off-white over Vallejo white primer.
Starting with the chassis, I chose to leave the front alone and focus on transformation of the rear to long arm setup.
I found a broken Monogram setup in my graveyard
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I used as reference the RK Motors video where JJ stands under his old car and explains how he built it
First step: rebuild the broken axle
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Then on to the rear suspension components, using video as reference.
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Then on to fabricating the attachment pieces to the vehicle frame and test fitting
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The panhard rod and attachment I still need to do
Checking for ride height. Aiming for a flat stance, as low as tires and axle to underfloor restrictions will allow:
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming along nicely, Pierre. Stance looks perfect. Chassis looks correct. You're using a great reference tool with that RK video.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanted to do the decals early in the refurbish process because of the doubts I had about them.
The JNJ decals survived...or rather I survived the decals...barely!
They have some yellowing and the backing sheet was leaving gummy residues on the back side of the decals as I lifted them.
Out of desperation I put them back in the water bowl after taking them off the paper and gently brushed both sides.
The result is OK but not exciting.
Anyhow, what's done is done, but I now feel less excited about this project
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobographix on ebay makes some very nice Junior johnson decals for the 63 Impala. They do not have them listed currently but if you contact them I am sure they can fix you up with some fresh decals.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_ssn=lobographix&_pgn=2&_skc=50&rt=nc
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pierre Rivard wrote:
Wanted to do the decals early in the refurbish process because of the doubts I had about them.
The JNJ decals survived...or rather I survived the decals...barely!
They have some yellowing and the backing sheet was leaving gummy residues on the back side of the decals as I lifted them.
Out of desperation I put them back in the water bowl after taking them off the paper and gently brushed both sides.
The result is OK but not exciting.
Anyhow, what's done is done, but I now feel less excited about this project
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I dont know , Pierre. But from where I'm sitting, it looks very good. I'm not seeing any yellowing at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill J wrote:
Lobographix on ebay makes some very nice Junior johnson decals for the 63 Impala. They do not have them listed currently but if you contact them I am sure they can fix you up with some fresh decals.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_ssn=lobographix&_pgn=2&_skc=50&rt=nc


Thanks for the link Bill,
I e-mailed them with an inquiry a few days ago but they have not responded. I decided to go ahead with the decals I had. Not ideal but acceptable.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
Pierre Rivard wrote:
Wanted to do the decals early in the refurbish process because of the doubts I had about them.
The JNJ decals survived...or rather I survived the decals...barely!
They have some yellowing and the backing sheet was leaving gummy residues on the back side of the decals as I lifted them.
Out of desperation I put them back in the water bowl after taking them off the paper and gently brushed both sides.
The result is OK but not exciting.
Anyhow, what's done is done, but I now feel less excited about this project
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I dont know , Pierre. But from where I'm sitting, it looks very good. I'm not seeing any yellowing at all.


There is a bit depending on light condition. Not obvious though. I will move on with the build. I just hope that now that decals are set and sealed they will stay like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pierre Rivard wrote:
MarkJ wrote:
Pierre Rivard wrote:
Wanted to do the decals early in the refurbish process because of the doubts I had about them.
The JNJ decals survived...or rather I survived the decals...barely!
They have some yellowing and the backing sheet was leaving gummy residues on the back side of the decals as I lifted them.
Out of desperation I put them back in the water bowl after taking them off the paper and gently brushed both sides.
The result is OK but not exciting.
Anyhow, what's done is done, but I now feel less excited about this project
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I dont know , Pierre. But from where I'm sitting, it looks very good. I'm not seeing any yellowing at all.





There is a bit depending on light condition. Not obvious though. I will move on with the build. I just hope that now that decals are set and sealed they will stay like that.


If you have it futured it should be good to go.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Mark Pierre...that decal job looks very good!! Did you lay down any clear coat on them after applying them to the body? That will make sure they don't go anywhere...just thinking here...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary Davis wrote:
I'm with Mark Pierre...that decal job looks very good!! Did you lay down any clear coat on them after applying them to the body? That will make sure they don't go anywhere...just thinking here...


Yes Gary I did. 2 coats of Future
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool...those puppy's shouldn't move at all now.... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slow progress lately but I got a bit done on the interior. I taped up the steering wheel with 1 mm masking tape.
I also finished taking the Yunik roll cage and applying mods to better reflect Junior's design.
For my next act I will attempt to scratch build a 4 point seatbelt. I've never tried it and I don't have a clue how to do it.
If you see something again from me it will be seat belts. If you don't, I've failed and possibly gone mental trying...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's looking good Pierre. If you're going to use Detail master buckles..you might want to invest a few bucks on a photo etch bender. They work pretty good. You can also go to Pro Tech and pick up a few sets from Charlie. They are easy to assemble. I use his buckles on almost all of my builds. Here's a link to his site...
http://www.protechmodelparts.com/carpartscatalog.htm

You can look at the different Photo etch benders here...
https://thesmallshop.com/index.php

Hope this helps you. We don't want you going Mental on us.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Chevy is coming along nicely. The decals look fine, can't see any yellowing.
I also see how great minds think alike:
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Bill J wrote:
Your Chevy is coming along nicely. The decals look fine, can't see any yellowing.
I also see how great minds think alike:


Strangely similar. Dedicated racing kits are nice but I always go back to sixties road car kits that require all these mods to turn them into race cars. That's where the real fun is!
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Gary Davis wrote:
It's looking good Pierre. If you're going to use Detail master buckles..you might want to invest a few bucks on a photo etch bender. They work pretty good. You can also go to Pro Tech and pick up a few sets from Charlie. They are easy to assemble. I use his buckles on almost all of my builds. Here's a link to his site...
http://www.protechmodelparts.com/carpartscatalog.htm

You can look at the different Photo etch benders here...
https://thesmallshop.com/index.php

Hope this helps you. We don't want you going Mental on us.... Laughing


Thanks for the tips sir. I like the Detail Master lever type harness which looks more period correct for this project and easier to acquire here in Canada.
That would be the easy way...the rational way...
But I got this crazy idea to do this myself...
No worries going mental...might be there already!
Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming along great , Pierre. I'm working on that tips and tricks deal , but you might not want to do them. Probably better off with the photo etch stuff.
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Starting on the belts. This is the style I will try to emulate. It won't be a 5 point, just a 4 point
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And this is the material I plan to use: 26 gauge craft wire, thin sheet styrene, thick foil from a pie dish, 1/4 inch masking tape and good'ol crazy glue.
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Starting with one of the lap belt buckles, using tweezers to shape the wire, then glue on strip of styrene:

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More bending and cutting of the wire to create the belt attachment loop:

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Trimming excess styrene and looping in some masking tale simulating the end piece of the belt:

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Same process for the other buckle. This will be the back side unseen as it will rest on the seat:

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Seen here further along.
I have added a 90 deg bend on the guide loop side and using 0.8 mm styrene rod for the release lever support.
The lever itself is next to it made of craft wire

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Same type of process for shoulder belt attachments
The first 4 elements of the system displayed together:

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Those look fantastic, Pierre.
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Those look fantastic, Pierre.


Thank you Mark. Still needs some work but I am pretty happy so far. I need to figure out how to do the adjusters. Challenging but fun!
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For the belts I wrapped 6mm masking tape around a 2.5 mm strip of foil

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Making the adjusters

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Belts painted.

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I tried to buckle them in place. Surprise, it fits!

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Awesome harness!
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Thank you Bill. Just something I had to try to do. Might be the PE stuff on future projects... Confused
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Thank you Bill. Just something I had to try to do. Might be the PE stuff on future projects... Confused


They look Awesome, Pierre. A lot more authentic then mine with the use of the wire.
I just tryed to make something quick to fill up the seat so something would be there. Does anyone actually make a p.e. sixty's 4 point harness? Seems like it would have to come in pieces that would have to be assembled.
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Pierre Rivard wrote:
Thank you Bill. Just something I had to try to do. Might be the PE stuff on future projects... Confused


They look Awesome, Pierre. A lot more authentic then mine with the use of the wire.
I just tryed to make something quick to fill up the seat so something would be there. Does anyone actually make a p.e. sixty's 4 point harness? Seems like it would have to come in pieces that would have to be assembled.


Thanks Mark. I just wanted to try this one but going forward I will order a set of Detail Master DM-2260 racing harness lever type

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Pierre Rivard wrote:
MarkJ wrote:
Pierre Rivard wrote:
Thank you Bill. Just something I had to try to do. Might be the PE stuff on future projects... Confused


They look Awesome, Pierre. A lot more authentic then mine with the use of the wire.
I just tryed to make something quick to fill up the seat so something would be there. Does anyone actually make a p.e. sixty's 4 point harness? Seems like it would have to come in pieces that would have to be assembled.


Thanks Mark. I just wanted to try this one but going forward I will order a set of Detail Master DM-2260 racing harness lever type

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Good, Pierre. Looks like a lot of bending and assembly required on those. I'll be glad to see what you do with a set of those to see how they look when completed. If you could do another tutorial putting those together it would be very helpful to see if I want to order any.
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Progress from 2 days ago. I refinished the IP panel.
Not great but it was pretty rough to start with. Color is my own mix of brown, gold and metal medium.
I tried something new for the gauges. Powerslide decals as usual but I wrapped craft wire around a 2.4mm tube to make the rings.

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The other parts pretty much done. Chassis is complete with addition of cobbled up shocks, panhard rod and refinish of the engine/trans.

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Seat belts crazy glued to seat

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The belts look great, Pierre. Yeah, you can get more precise with the PE materials, but there's a real charm to what you have created on your own.

And at that scale - and with the diminishing eyesight of those who will truly appreciate this - no one is going to demand perfection.
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bangor boy wrote:
The belts look great, Pierre. Yeah, you can get more precise with the PE materials, but there's a real charm to what you have created on your own.

And at that scale - and with the diminishing eyesight of those who will truly appreciate this - no one is going to demand perfection.


I agree. I just might give it a go again with improvements of the adjusters which don't look right. I would use MarkJ's method for those.
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bangor boy wrote:
The belts look great, Pierre. Yeah, you can get more precise with the PE materials, but there's a real charm to what you have created on your own.

And at that scale - and with the diminishing eyesight of those who will truly appreciate this - no one is going to demand perfection.


I agree. I just might give it a go again with improvements of the adjusters which don't look right. I would use MarkJ's method for those.



Pierre, if you do my adjusters, make the little caddy fins a little shorter and round off the corners on them a bit. I was going to do it but got in too big a hurry like I do sometimes, and when I realized it, it was too late. Love what you came up with for the guages. I need to try that if i can. Sometimes the fingers cant do what the mind wants them to do, in my case. It's tough to get old.
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This is the completed interior. I will post the completed build in the showroom later today
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Wow, that looks Awesome, Pierre. I need to jump over to the showroom to check out this beautiful build.
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DANG.... That really came out GREAT!!! I'm with you Mark...need to go to finished builds to check out the finished car.
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MarkJ wrote:
Pierre, great to see you have a wip going for your Junior build. You might try putting the decals in some sunlight for a couple of days to see if the yellow goes away comparateur mutuelle chat . I have never tryed this myself, so I dont know if it works or not. If it does, then put a coat of future on them and see if they work . Or just get the lobo graphics. Probably a lot less trouble.

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Oricum, vă mulțumesc foarte mult pentru că ne-ați lovit pe acest subiect. Este foarte drăguț din partea ta.

What are you saying here? English please...
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