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#6 Show Car Daytona was at the 1970 New York Auto Show

 
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odcics2



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:09 am    Post subject: #6 Show Car Daytona was at the 1970 New York Auto Show Reply with quote

There was a thread about this prior to the site going down.
A couple of vintage photos just surfaced that I think are important
to Nascar history.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,133190.0.html

The above link has a few good quality pics.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks - great info!
I was at the NY Auto show that year. Also on display was AJ Foyt's Riverside winning Torino. (unless THAT was a duplicate as well...)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefly wrote:
Thanks - great info!
I was at the NY Auto show that year. Also on display was AJ Foyt's Riverside winning Torino. (unless THAT was a duplicate as well...)


Did you notice the Torino in the background with the Motor Trend Car of the Year sticker on the side??
As we know, that designation was revealed in November of 1969.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was always a good looking car driven by interesting drivers.

Did it win anything? Either in Charger or Daytona format?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was always a good looking car driven by interesting drivers.

Did it win anything? Either in Charger or Daytona format?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangor boy wrote:
It was always a good looking car driven by interesting drivers.

Did it win anything? Either in Charger or Daytona format?


The Showcar Daytona was never raced as a Daytona, so, no wins there.

Pretty sure the car was used as a short track car by Owens in 68 -69 before it got the street Daytona parts added on for Chrysler to show the car.

After Cotton and Pearson broke up, Cotton wasn't very lucky in the win column.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:53 am    Post subject: #6 show car Reply with quote

I remember either seeing a video or reading somewhere that Baker was leading the race at Texas world and under caution he was goofing around in the car giving the victory symbol to Cotton On Pit Road and run into the back of James Hilton tearing up both cars and that cotton was so mad that when they got back to Spartanburg he cut the car up! Which car would that be?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: #6 show car Reply with quote

Bobby The Cabdriver wrote:
I remember either seeing a video or reading somewhere that Baker was leading the race at Texas world and under caution he was goofing around in the car giving the victory symbol to Cotton On Pit Road and run into the back of James Hilton tearing up both cars and that cotton was so mad that when they got back to Spartanburg he cut the car up! Which car would that be?


Yeah, Buddy ran into James and Cotton blew a gasket.

The car went back to Spartanburg and was repaired, since for 1970, he ran 2 speedway cars and couldn't afford to 'cut one up'.

Photographic proof exists of the car being repaired in the shop.

In 2011, I was at Cotton's a few times and he told that story.
Since I was there to buy parts, I decided it was better to listen and nod than to call him out on it.

Same for the "Showcar" Daytona.

And his claims of running 200 in the April 1970 Alabama 500, with no side glass, no less! (a feat that calculates to the 426 putting out 650 HP!)

Why can't folks stick to the facts??
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too bad the original thread was lost. I remember good photographic evidence of specific items, for instance door handle cut out covers, A-pillar covers, roll cage bars, fender cutouts and maybe more that tied in a Charger 500 that was damaged in the rear end to the show car. This lead to all the same items still present on the supposed Southern 500 winning car. It was clear to almost everyone that the car in question was the show car and never a winning Charger Daytona.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tharrison351 wrote:
It's too bad the original thread was lost. I remember good photographic evidence of specific items, for instance door handle cut out covers, A-pillar covers, roll cage bars, fender cutouts and maybe more that tied in a Charger 500 that was damaged in the rear end to the show car. This lead to all the same items still present on the supposed Southern 500 winning car. It was clear to almost everyone that the car in question was the show car and never a winning Charger Daytona.


One of the Mopar experts can probably link to the similar thread on the Dodge Charger forum (I think that's where it was) that had all the same info. Cotton's son tried (unsuccessfully) to refute it in that thread. Not sure why it mattered to them, Cotton got to keep the $800K.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here ya go.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=63521.575

Chrysler donated the Showcar Daytona to the Weatherly Museum at Darlington, when they were done hauling it around the country.

The Museum owned it.

Any proceeds of the sale of that car should have remained with the Museum. Unfortunately, the folks that knew that were retired or moved on.
So, as stated above, Cotton put it all in his pocket.

He knew darn well, he was paid by Chrysler to make the Showcar. He also knew it didn't run any races, or even sat on a track, as a Daytona.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Daytona at New York Auto Show Reply with quote

I find it highly ironic that there's a link that's four years old having to do with Factory Chrysler race cars on Dodge Charger. Com with Mopar people fighting with Ford people over things that happened 50 years ago. Can't we all just get along and work towards finding out what was fact and what was fiction? Photos don't lie.REAL cars that exist can be examined. Add people that build fake cars to the mix when there was fake cars even back in the day just add to the confusion. My biggest issue with all this, is what's going to happen with all these fake cars and bickering about what really happened 30 or 40 or 50 years from now when we are all just a memory and these cars exist still. And how is this Daytona any different then Petty's Superbird? Because Petty Superbird won 15 races or so.... as cheated up Roadrunner!!!
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