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Wood Brothers Junkie
Joined: 26 Apr 2018 Posts: 66
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:35 pm Post subject: New Nascar |
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What odds do you guys give that Salvinos will be able to do the Mustang? |
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DaveVan
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Until we get a Mustang I'll buy one Camaro to support them....but build a fleet I need a Mustang. |
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martinfan
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like the Mustangs will be coming at the end of the year. |
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bigryan18
Joined: 29 Jan 2018 Posts: 191
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:16 am Post subject: |
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I'll believe it when I see it when it comes down to Ford & Toyota... |
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TN Vols fan
Joined: 18 Jan 2022 Posts: 274 Location: Crossett, AR
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Why the doubt? Is there a licensing issue with Toyota and Ford? I never heard of Salvino's before returning to modeling after a fairly long hiatus. _________________ "Many men fish all their lives without knowing it is not the fish they are after." Henry David Thoreau
"I am, Sir, a brother of the angle" quote from The Compleat Angler, lzzak Walton 1654 |
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jaws1972
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen posts on Facebook, Salvinos is working on the rights to both Toyota and Ford bodies. |
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DaveVan
Joined: 27 Jan 2018 Posts: 1578
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:48 am Post subject: |
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TN Vols fan wrote: | Why the doubt? Is there a licensing issue with Toyota and Ford? I never heard of Salvino's before returning to modeling after a fairly long hiatus. |
How many of the older Monogram Ford's have Salvinos issued??? Or how many vintage Ford's does Salvinos have on the drawing boards. From a outsiders POV it looks like they have no deal with FORD.
I will say from years of working in the model kit industry FORD is the easiest to deal with. Now sure what that means with Salvinos. |
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TN Vols fan
Joined: 18 Jan 2022 Posts: 274 Location: Crossett, AR
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:45 am Post subject: |
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How many of the older Monogram Ford's have Salvinos issued??? Or how many vintage Ford's does Salvinos have on the drawing boards. From a outsiders POV it looks like they have no deal with FORD.
I will say from years of working in the model kit industry FORD is the easiest to deal with. Now sure what that means with Salvinos.[/quote]
Like I said, until returning to modeling after a long hiatus, I had never heard of Salvino's. I have no earthly idea how many old Monogram Ford kits they have released, nor how many vintage Ford kits are on their drawing board. A bunch I hope as I'm a died in the wool blue oval guy. _________________ "Many men fish all their lives without knowing it is not the fish they are after." Henry David Thoreau
"I am, Sir, a brother of the angle" quote from The Compleat Angler, lzzak Walton 1654 |
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DaveVan
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Salvinos has only issued GM and Chrysler products. |
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TN Vols fan
Joined: 18 Jan 2022 Posts: 274 Location: Crossett, AR
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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DaveVan wrote: | Salvinos has only issued GM and Chrysler products. |
Well that's interesting. Heck, you may be correct then. Thanks for the reply. _________________ "Many men fish all their lives without knowing it is not the fish they are after." Henry David Thoreau
"I am, Sir, a brother of the angle" quote from The Compleat Angler, lzzak Walton 1654 |
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David Long
Joined: 29 Jan 2018 Posts: 23
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:16 pm Post subject: Salvinos |
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They have only been in business about 4 years. Their back ground was the Petty's and STP. That's why Dodge/Chevy(GM) first. They are working with NASCAR, Toyota and Ford is next too come. We just need to be patient and good things will come for us Modelers. |
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Lionpride
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 247
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Dave, you worked with the auto makers regarding model cars? |
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DaveVan
Joined: 27 Jan 2018 Posts: 1578
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Lionpride wrote: | Dave, you worked with the auto makers regarding model cars? |
I co-owned DNL Hobbies 1983 - 1998. We held licensing with a lot of companies including Ford, Good Year and HMS. Because we were in Charlotte and already working with these companies we negotiated deals for other companies. I also did a good amount of work with Monogram (and Revell after merger) where we worked with Ford. The last time working with Ford was with Model King and his line of Ford pick up truck kits. Thanks |
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Lionpride
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Cool stuff. Crazy that the automakers actually have time for us little model builders. |
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Wood Brothers Junkie
Joined: 26 Apr 2018 Posts: 66
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Salvino's have shown no interest in Fords so far, that is why I question them even doing a Ford. I have built Ford/Merc of the late 70's, those old resin bodies are out there to start over with. |
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DaveVan
Joined: 27 Jan 2018 Posts: 1578
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Wood Brothers Junkie wrote: | Salvino's have shown no interest in Fords so far, that is why I question them even doing a Ford. I have built Ford/Merc of the late 70's, those old resin bodies are out there to start over with. |
It's odd Salvinos is sitting on tons of FORD tooling without even talking about issuing and of them. 1982 up to early 2000's |
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Danorace fan
Joined: 20 Apr 2022 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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How about we just let them get the Camaro's out first. |
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Pat Redmond Board Moderator
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 304
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:24 am Post subject: |
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DaveVan wrote: | Wood Brothers Junkie wrote: | Salvino's have shown no interest in Fords so far, that is why I question them even doing a Ford. I have built Ford/Merc of the late 70's, those old resin bodies are out there to start over with. |
It's odd Salvinos is sitting on tons of FORD tooling without even talking about issuing and of them. 1982 up to early 2000's |
The focus right now is to get the Next Gen cars in peoples' hands. Chevys are getting out there. Getting Toyota and Ford signed is of the highest priority for the SJR/NASCAR dealings.
Until there's a licensing deal with Ford, nothing will be coming from that brand.
Dave, licensing has changed since your time. It's MUCH more NASCAR controlled. _________________ << On The Bench --- 2022 Elliott Hooters |
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DaveVan
Joined: 27 Jan 2018 Posts: 1578
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 11:11 am Post subject: |
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WHAT hasn't changed since my last deal in late 1990's!!!!
But I know NASCAR wants the kits done......all 3 manufactures. But you still need OK from Ford and Toyota. Toyota will be the harder of the two. They are VERY protective of their brand. FORD wants stuff out there.....and even made the Revell Fusion's possible. Without FORD going to Revell we would have never had those kits.
And with my current work with Model King I know FORD is still the easiest of the car companies to work with. So if a FORD kit was a priority for any model company, it's possible. |
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Joe Oteri
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 141 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Is there a reason why there's so much flash and fitment issues on a brand new, "high end," supposed to be, "Tamiya-like," $40+ kit?
Maybe I got the unicorn edition, but the body's twisted, floorpan's shaped like a banana, every single parting line is riddled with flash, especially the suspension arms and roll cage.
We're on season 4 of the Salvino show now, when's it going to get better with this company? It's so frustrating that their paid shills on Youtube and FB never say anything negative about their products, but we constantly look like the bad guys here calling out the issues. _________________ Joe Oteri
https://public.fotki.com/AAJOTERI/joes_models-1/nascar_models/ |
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DaveVan
Joined: 27 Jan 2018 Posts: 1578
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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My kits are in transit....so no first hand. But I get in trouble a lot for being truthful. When I do get the kits.......
Thanks joe for your opinion. |
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Pierre Rivard
Joined: 25 Feb 2021 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at online "unboxing" videos this new kit looks like a vast improvement from previous offerings where they just "mailed it in" form a design standpoint.
But Tamiya-like? Let's not get carried away here... _________________ "When you arrive at a fork in the road, take it" - Yogi Berra |
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18degrees
Joined: 01 Feb 2018 Posts: 1021 Location: metro STL area, ILLINois
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Joe Oteri wrote: | Is there a reason why there's so much flash and fitment issues on a brand new, "high end," supposed to be, "Tamiya-like," $40+ kit?
Maybe I got the unicorn edition, but the body's twisted, floorpan's shaped like a banana, every single parting line is riddled with flash, especially the suspension arms and roll cage.
We're on season 4 of the Salvino show now, when's it going to get better with this company? It's so frustrating that their paid shills on Youtube and FB never say anything negative about their products, but we constantly look like the bad guys here calling out the issues. |
Not sure what’s up with your kit, but i got my rollout kit from the LHS and opened it up there so the owner could see it. I saw VERY MINIMAL flash, and i do mean minimal, on my kit. Maybe you did get a unicorn. Mine looks excellent, like the unboxing videos on YouTube. _________________ ON DECK/IN THE WORKS: too many started to list...
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DaveVan
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Mold tooling needs to be 'tuned' when run the first time. If there are kits with more flash than normal it may be a very early run made while they were fine tuning the tooling. Even after it is set up and running well, as the tool heats up, more tuning is made. So a kit with lots of flash can happen. FYI and a guess. |
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Joe Oteri
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 141 Location: Boston
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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These unbuilt trees are from a roll out car I got on Ebay; The Elliott car I'm working on was just like this.
I'm sorry, but for a kit of this price point and hype, you shouldn't need to clean up every single piece at every glue point. Flash and mold lines are bound to happen; we all know no kit is perfect, but this is just too much when you get down to it. _________________ Joe Oteri
https://public.fotki.com/AAJOTERI/joes_models-1/nascar_models/ |
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DaveVan
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I see your issues. Makes me wonder if this tooling was cut in aluminum or other soft metal rather than very costly nickel. The softer the metal the more issues with flash. |
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Pierre Rivard
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that's a lot of flash for new tooling, and the part details do not look very crisp.
Currently working on a 917K Fujimi kit. Supposedly a cheap kit with old tooling but it's pretty good and certainly better than this. _________________ "When you arrive at a fork in the road, take it" - Yogi Berra |
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Steve Salhany
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Huh, my new Salvino's kits don't have flash. I've opened two of them and there's none there. That's really strange. There are some mold lines but nothing like Joe's pics. My belly pan is straight as well.
I know that both Clay Kemp and Jay Savarese had some fitment issues with their builds but they got VERY early molds, like "the boxes hadn't yet been printed" runs. I have to start putting mine together to see if there are any fitment issues, maybe they tweaked the molds? |
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Pat Redmond Board Moderator
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I had a bit of flash but NO warpage. I've opened 2 so far.
Joe, you got a Unicorn. _________________ << On The Bench --- 2022 Elliott Hooters |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 7:50 am Post subject: |
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The major flash on mine appears to be limited to the silver trees and based on my experience (designed and developed injection molded plastic parts for both domestic and offshore production, everything from huge electronic closure doors with consumer interface modules attached which were 21 lb. per part to tiny pieces for consumer products) they designed some of the suspension and bumper parts incorrectly. The parts are far too thick and the attachment to the trees is too small for proper filling. Those parts also should have been positioned nearer to the main gate that injects the plastic into the runners on the tree so the viscous plastic didn't have to flow as far to fill those thick parts. So to try and compensate for the shrinkage they pushed the injection pressure up excessively high which causes flashing near the gate where the pressure is the greatest. They may be running the mold a little cold too in order to be able to eject sooner and to minimize warpage as the tree cools. I've seen parts molded like that suffer extreme warpage later, if exposed to elevated temperatures after being molded and packed due to the heat allowing the molded in stresses created from cooling the parts in the mold to stress relieve and warp days or weeks after being removed from the mold. So one person's kit might not be warped but if someone gets a kit that was in the top of the truck all day on a hot sunny day it might have gotten hot enough to stress relieve. You would be surprised at how hot cargo can get inside a truck, I had movers pack and transport my household belongings from New Hampshire to South Carolina the last week of October last year. I had a little LED desktop thermometer with a history/memory function that I tossed into a tool chest drawer. When I unpacked and paired the thermometer with my phone the highest temperature it had been subjected to in the past 3 months was 114°F. That's getting close to where styrene will start to stress relieve and it wasn't packed tightly in a cardboard box in a truck that was in the Southwestern heat and sun. |
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Steve Salhany
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 151
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I took a closer look at my kit last night and while I have nowhere near the flash that Joe's kit had, there's a little bit more than I thought, so my initial statement was not entirely correct. I don't have very much, however.
I painted the belly pan last night, it's extremely straight and some test fitting proved that. As I get further into it I'll see if the other parts need work. There are two mold lines on the front fenders of the body which I forgot to remove, I'll see if they still look prominent once I get decals on it.
The caveat as always is that while I'm an experienced builder I also am a casual one in that I just want the kit to look nice on the shelf so I don't get into smaller details. That means my standards aren't right for everyone. |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Steve Salhany wrote: | I took a closer look at my kit last night and while I have nowhere near the flash that Joe's kit had, there's a little bit more than I thought, so my initial statement was not entirely correct. I don't have very much, however.
I painted the belly pan last night, it's extremely straight and some test fitting proved that. As I get further into it I'll see if the other parts need work. There are two mold lines on the front fenders of the body which I forgot to remove, I'll see if they still look prominent once I get decals on it. |
My frame structure (silver part that the main cage builds from) wasn't warped but the belly pan that it sits on was slightly warped. Not more than I would expect from such a large thin part though, and nothing that gluing stuff together won't fix. I did have to shave, remove mold lines, and add small chamfers to some corners to get my main cage structure with firewall to assemble tightly together. I can understand why someone might end up with a tolerance stackup issue originating with that subassembly once they started trying to build up the part of the structure with the suspension attachment points. |
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Steve Salhany
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Tom M. wrote: | Steve Salhany wrote: | I took a closer look at my kit last night and while I have nowhere near the flash that Joe's kit had, there's a little bit more than I thought, so my initial statement was not entirely correct. I don't have very much, however.
I painted the belly pan last night, it's extremely straight and some test fitting proved that. As I get further into it I'll see if the other parts need work. There are two mold lines on the front fenders of the body which I forgot to remove, I'll see if they still look prominent once I get decals on it. |
My frame structure (silver part that the main cage builds from) wasn't warped but the belly pan that it sits on was slightly warped. Not more than I would expect from such a large thin part though, and nothing that gluing stuff together won't fix. I did have to shave, remove mold lines, and add small chamfers to some corners to get my main cage structure with firewall to assemble tightly together. I can understand why someone might end up with a tolerance stackup issue originating with that subassembly once they started trying to build up the part of the structure with the suspension attachment points. |
It's funny that you mention that, I've been paranoid about that silver frame part you mention because a misalignment there would throw off everything. I've been fitting and test-fitting before and after paint like crazy to make sure that part fits straight and snug on the belly pan.
I'll be starting on the larger cage assembly this weekend and will look out for the possible issues you mention. |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Steve Salhany wrote: | It's funny that you mention that, I've been paranoid about that silver frame part you mention because a misalignment there would throw off everything. I've been fitting and test-fitting before and after paint like crazy to make sure that part fits straight and snug on the belly pan.
I'll be starting on the larger cage assembly this weekend and will look out for the possible issues you mention. |
I build on a medium size glass cutting board, it's useful for making sure things are flat and straight and I can use my X-Acto blades on it. |
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WR
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Just finished a chassis on one, it went together very smooth and looks great. |
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Wild Bill 2
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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TN Vols fan wrote: | DaveVan wrote: | Salvinos has only issued GM and Chrysler products. |
Well that's interesting. Heck, you may be correct then. Thanks for the reply. |
They are working with NASCAR Gibbs ,Toyota, just a matter of time.
They are working to get a Ford.
But they have Contract obligations to fill with Hendrick [Not Hendricks], they need to fill first.
It could be in place by the end of the years, early 2023.
They have a busy schedule ahead of them for a small company
Its basically Rick, Jim and Chris. |
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martinfan
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pierre Rivard wrote: | Looking at online "unboxing" videos this new kit looks like a vast improvement from previous offerings where they just "mailed it in" form a design standpoint.
But Tamiya-like? Let's not get carried away here... |
Its a good kit when it comes to accuracy , even with the missing parts, but its NOT EVEN CLOSE to being "Tamiya Like Quality" . There are a handful of issue with parts fitment , and just overall quality of the tooling.
Ive built "3" working on 4 and with each kit(3 Roll out 1 Chase) the under pan has been warped, flash, mounting holes need to be deepened. When the entire chassis is completed, the under pan does not fit right unless you open up the front ride height openings . They did a good job with taking the data they got from NASCAR and shrinking it down to 1/24th scale .
With all that said, I am having a blast building them and Salvino's is getting a lot of my money , Ive bought 8 thus far. |
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hurricane21
Joined: 05 Feb 2018 Posts: 211 Location: Fayetteville NC
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Just checked the Salvinos site. They have 2 more HMS cars and 2 Petty GMS cars. Does anyone who's plugged in with them know if these will be part of the kit of the month? I got my Napa and Hendrick Cars kits as part of the KotM but there was some confusion early on if these would be part of it. I assume they are but I'm not really sure. |
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Pat Redmond Board Moderator
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hurricane21 wrote: | Just checked the Salvinos site. They have 2 more HMS cars and 2 Petty GMS cars. Does anyone who's plugged in with them know if these will be part of the kit of the month? I got my Napa and Hendrick Cars kits as part of the KotM but there was some confusion early on if these would be part of it. I assume they are but I'm not really sure. |
That's it for Next Gen KOTM in 2022 unless Toyota comes aboard and then ONE Toyota will be a KOTM this calendar year. _________________ << On The Bench --- 2022 Elliott Hooters |
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Joe Oteri
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's a pigment not a dye so there won't be any bleedthru....
Well that was a lie.
Tamiya White primer like usual, all the talking heads said you wouldn't need to shoot silver prior...but here we are. _________________ Joe Oteri
https://public.fotki.com/AAJOTERI/joes_models-1/nascar_models/ |
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TiminToledo
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Oteri wrote: | It's a pigment not a dye so there won't be any bleedthru....
Well that was a lie.
Tamiya White primer like usual, all the talking heads said you wouldn't need to shoot silver prior...but here we are. |
Is that the blue pigment bleeding into the white primer or just the inability of the white primer to cover the dark color?
I am building a yellow kit, and used white primer but it does not cover very well. Color for the chassis and body were painted yellow, so not a big deal. I used tamiya gray first on a gold body, then they tamiya white on top of that and the results were much better. |
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Dan Belcher
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I really like the ultimate finish that Tamiya white primer gives, but it takes a lot to get to that point. Even going over their gray primer, it still takes several coats if I'm trying to get a nice clean white finish. |
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Joe Oteri
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I did this to help prove the point of just how ridiculous their molded in color bodies are. There's no need for this in 2022. The number one rule of painting is light to dark; why add this aggravating layer? MPC & RM did this for years and it sucked, what makes them think it's gonna work now?
These guys have the opportunity to help undo all the bad thing previous Nascar kits have had over the years...but here we are going backwards.
The teardrop roof camera is in the wrong place; it's too far to the right, the left roof rail isn't long enough, and only the tall spoiler is correct because the short one is molded in color when it's supposed to have clear on it too. All these little ticky-tack things add up. _________________ Joe Oteri
https://public.fotki.com/AAJOTERI/joes_models-1/nascar_models/ |
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Steve Salhany
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 9:14 am Post subject: |
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IIRC the teams are running both the colored spoiler and the spolier-with-clear on it this year, aren't they?
The short roof rail was on the CAD they got from Nascar themselves, Nascar changed that after SJR had the molds cut. Hard to blame them for that.
The one thing I did notice, and you've pointed this out before Joe, is that the attachment points on the clear parts are pretty thick. Most of them aren't a problem but the ones on the shark fin are, I broke mine trying to remove the clear support. Just a heads-up. |
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Joe Oteri
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Steve Salhany
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Ah thanks, I didn't realize that. |
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