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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say this is karma for all my criticism towards them. Laughing Maybe if they didn't try shoehorning so much stuff in their 1/27 scale boxes, this might not happen...



Here's a few comparison photo's with a molded in white MPC Charger body. I still like the MPC body much better, but the Salvino body is a nice piece. The rear quarters and trunk area just look off and the roof/rear window have a chopped look when side-by-side with the MPC.












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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff JOE!!! Thanks for doing that. I'll admit the Charger rear, C pillar back, is a tough one to get right. Why did they not clone the MPC body rather that re-invent the wheel???
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got hammered on Facebook for saying the Mpc body is superior. I even said the Salvino body looked really good, but Jim Phillips flatly says the Mpc body is quote: "not even close" unquote.

I'll leave it up to others to judge. But I think the Mpc piece is the best.
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Gary, that Jim is not Jim from Salvinos..fyi
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Gary, that Jim is not Jim from Salvinos..fyi


Doesn't matter to me if it is or isn't. I wasn't trying to be a horse hiney, someone asked about the two makes and I answered.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to fault ANY of the MPC bodies!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary66 wrote:
I just got hammered on Facebook for saying the Mpc body is superior. I even said the Salvino body looked really good, but Jim Phillips flatly says the Mpc body is quote: "not even close" unquote.

I'll leave it up to others to judge. But I think the Mpc piece is the best.

Agree 100%
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't the old MPC bodies been made using a large scale wood model and a pantograph? The old AMT and MPC stuff still holds their own as far as the bodies go.
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I've painted up mine in TS-23 and am waiting for the vermillion decals, so if any one is curious to see how the model looks in just paint, here you are. Ride stance is directly out of the box, built per the directions, no mods.

The inner window flanges have been installed as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve that is just plain clean work!!!! Salvinos should send you a free kit for doing that. That may sell a few kits. BRAVO!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dave! Honestly this is straight from the kit. Nothing special needed on my part except clean painting.

I used one spacer in the rear suspension as the directions called for. Front was not altered from stock. The only thing I did was to cut the rear axle down a bit so the tires would snug up closer to the body.

I used Tamiya TS-30 chrome silver on the window flanges, just gave them a light coat, which I think makes them look like aluminum. I really like those parts, adds a ton of realism to the model.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Looks terrific, Steve.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve been critical of them in the past but it looks like they nailed it with this one! I don’t have one yet (waiting for the 71 from Mike’s) but I’m getting pretty anxious!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautifully done Steve. I think the body looks crisp and the shape looks good to me. Good enough to buy this new offering after the disappointment of the Olds 442 and Monte Carlo.
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Here's the Charger with the vermillion decals applied. Hopefully this gives everyone a good idea of what the final look will be once completed. The decals are extremely vibrant in person but don't photograph as brightly.

Lots of people on the Salvino's Builder's Club say they had problems with the vermillions, but I did not. My method: VERY HOT water with a drop of dish soap in it, Microsol, a soft brush, and a hair dryer. These were much easier to use than the ones for the Buick, and I eventually got the Buick done so this one was much faster.

(Yes I lost one of the Goodyears on the rear tire, I'll apply another one when I decal the rest of it).


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My build went pretty painlessly, but there are a couple of things to look out for:

- I found the carb/air cleaner in mine was a little high for the hood to fully close, so I ground down the carb. Likely tolerance stack plus I didn't get the engine fully down into the compartment

- rear track a touch too wide, no biggie. I cut down the rear axle and ground off the little bosses on the back of the rear wheels. I do that on every NASCAR kit I build, really.

That's pretty much it. The front and rear valences fit perfectly. The grille and headlight inserts are lovely. Salvino's provides FOUR different sets of headlight inserts (1 in chrome) and 4 front grilles (again 2 in chrome), so you can mix and match like crazy to get the look you want. The rear tail panel insert is also provided in plastic and chrome, so again your choice.

I love the side window flanges and had no trouble installing them. Also the windshield and rear window are perfect fits, and that's an area where I always struggle.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Salhany wrote:
My build went pretty painlessly, but there are a couple of things to look out for:

- I found the carb/air cleaner in mine was a little high for the hood to fully close, so I ground down the carb. Likely tolerance stack plus I didn't get the engine fully down into the compartment

- rear track a touch too wide, no biggie. I cut down the rear axle and ground off the little bosses on the back of the rear wheels. I do that on every NASCAR kit I build, really.

That's pretty much it. The front and rear valences fit perfectly. The grille and headlight inserts are lovely. Salvino's provides FOUR different sets of headlight inserts (1 in chrome) and 4 front grilles (again 2 in chrome), so you can mix and match like crazy to get the look you want. The rear tail panel insert is also provided in plastic and chrome, so again your choice.

I love the side window flanges and had no trouble installing them. Also the windshield and rear window are perfect fits, and that's an area where I always struggle.


Steve, the build looks fantastic so far, a testament to your skills and improved engineering coming from Salvinos. All good news!

I am most impressed by your work on the vermillon decals. I don't have the skills to take that on but it's great of you to share how you accomplished that feat.
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For the vermillions:

- I took a bowl of water and microwaved it for 90 seconds. This is about as hot as I can get it. I put a drop of hand soap in to break surface tension which allows the decal to slide on smoother

- I wet down the side of the model with that water

- I dipped the decal in the water for about 8 seconds or so. I used tweezers to hold it, the water would burn my fingers otherwise

- placed the decal on a paper towel for a couple of seconds

- Carefully slid the decal onto the already wet side of the model

- Using a SOFT brush, I applied Microsol (bottle with red letters) to the decal. All over. I also used the brush to work the decal into place. I cut small relief cuts into the wheelwell parts of the decal

- I let the Microsol work for a bit, then took a hair dryer and started applying heat to the decal. I worked in very short bursts

- I used a soft cloth to press out small wrinkles in the decal

- and then repeated the Microsol, hair dryer, and cloth cycle. It didn't take too terribly long for the decal to settle down and look smooth
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I got mine today
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:06 pm    Post subject: Vemillion decals Reply with quote

How much do the seams show on the decals, I am starting my kit and am not sure if I should use the decals or paint.
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Not very much, really. I mean, if you get real close you can see them but IMO they are not glaring. As always YMMV
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Steve Salhany wrote:
My build went pretty painlessly, but there are a couple of things to look out for:

- I found the carb/air cleaner in mine was a little high for the hood to fully close, so I ground down the carb. Likely tolerance stack plus I didn't get the engine fully down into the compartment

- rear track a touch too wide, no biggie. I cut down the rear axle and ground off the little bosses on the back of the rear wheels. I do that on every NASCAR kit I build, really.

That's pretty much it. The front and rear valences fit perfectly. The grille and headlight inserts are lovely. Salvino's provides FOUR different sets of headlight inserts (1 in chrome) and 4 front grilles (again 2 in chrome), so you can mix and match like crazy to get the look you want. The rear tail panel insert is also provided in plastic and chrome, so again your choice.

I love the side window flanges and had no trouble installing them. Also the windshield and rear window are perfect fits, and that's an area where I always struggle.


steve you mean the whole front grill surround is provided in chrome and bare plastic in case we want to have the surround body color?
great job btw. i was going to paint mine but mat consider the decal instead.

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joe b wrote:
Steve Salhany wrote:
My build went pretty painlessly, but there are a couple of things to look out for:

- I found the carb/air cleaner in mine was a little high for the hood to fully close, so I ground down the carb. Likely tolerance stack plus I didn't get the engine fully down into the compartment

- rear track a touch too wide, no biggie. I cut down the rear axle and ground off the little bosses on the back of the rear wheels. I do that on every NASCAR kit I build, really.

That's pretty much it. The front and rear valences fit perfectly. The grille and headlight inserts are lovely. Salvino's provides FOUR different sets of headlight inserts (1 in chrome) and 4 front grilles (again 2 in chrome), so you can mix and match like crazy to get the look you want. The rear tail panel insert is also provided in plastic and chrome, so again your choice.

I love the side window flanges and had no trouble installing them. Also the windshield and rear window are perfect fits, and that's an area where I always struggle.


steve you mean the whole front grill surround is provided in chrome and bare plastic in case we want to have the surround body color?
great job btw. i was going to paint mine but mat consider the decal instead.

joe


Hi Joe, yes that's correct. There are 2 chrome grille surrounds (looks like one is for '73 and the other for '71) and two bare plastic surrounds for the same years provided. So if the car you're building has the body colored surround it will be very easy to paint because you can use the bare plastic ones.

If I remember tonight, I'll open my other kit and take photos of the grilles and their inserts.

The full kit in the box weights 1 1/2 pounds, there's a ton of parts in there to mix and match for years, configurations, etc.
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cool. so why would the 71 grill/surround be in there? you can't make a 71 out of this body. did they put a 71 grill/surround on 73/74s sometimes. or is salvinos usind the same particular sprue for both kits? i ask because i have a 71 kit on order with mikes.

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joe b wrote:
cool. so why would the 71 grill/surround be in there? you can't make a 71 out of this body. did they put a 71 grill/surround on 73/74s sometimes. or is salvinos usind the same particular sprue for both kits? i ask because i have a 71 kit on order with mikes.

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I picked up mine from the LHS and looked through the trees, this kit looks awesome.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I misspoke a little bit:

- two chrome grille surrounds (‘71 and ‘73)
- one bare plastic grille surround (‘73)
- three styles of bare plastic grille inserts
- one chrome and one bare plastic rear tail panel insert

Pics tomorrow
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Sorry for the huge pics, Imgur isn't playing nicely today.
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Only problem I have now is what to do with the 8 Amt stock '71 Charger bodies I have been saving Confused
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Gary66 wrote:
Only problem I have now is what to do with the 8 Amt stock '71 Charger bodies I have been saving Confused

It's a nice kit.....I like building street versions to display with racing......so that's one kit down!!!!!

STEVE: Thanks for all the work sharing the Charger info. I just got a email....mine is at the PO....go and get in in a few!!
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Thank you for the great photos, Steve. I am very excited about these kits. I have one of each on pre-order.

It looks like Salvinos may have their first homerun here. Keep it up, boys!
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thanks steve. no problem with the huge photos. gives better detail. is that chrome the real chrome crap or the strippable type? i would like to use the 71 as a body color surround, unless the 71 kit comes with one bare plastic and one chrome. any info about that?

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The chrome is the real stuff.

I don't have a '71 kit yet so I can't speak to what's going to be in it, but I would assume the same set of grilles and inserts will be in there. I won't swear to it however.
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Quite surprised at how the body turned out. Maybe they are finally heading in the right direction.

On another note, what would be a better chassis as that giant transmission tunnel still gets to me?
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Curious about how the body style might differ slightly in the later years Petty used this car - '74 to '76?

Regardless of how good it looks - and it looks good - I truly can't get comfortable building a '73 Petty car. After two heartening driver title wins after returning to his rightful home, Mopar, Petty went out and lost the title in '73 to Benny Parsons.

No disrespect to Benny Parsons, a good man and a decent driver, but come on. The difference in resources and talents is otherworldly. I put this down as one of Petty's greatest flop seasons.

But I'll be delighted to build models of his iconic '71 and '72 season title-winning cars, both Plymouth and Dodge.

I already have a dismantled and stripped '71 Plymouth diecast from Franklin Mint (horrors!) that I was planning to use as a donor car. Apparently it's an expensive item if ebay is anything to go by(I got it for buttons), so I may just have to knuckle down and finish it.
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Steve Salhany wrote:
For the vermillions:

- I took a bowl of water and microwaved it for 90 seconds. This is about as hot as I can get it. I put a drop of hand soap in to break surface tension which allows the decal to slide on smoother

- I wet down the side of the model with that water

- I dipped the decal in the water for about 8 seconds or so. I used tweezers to hold it, the water would burn my fingers otherwise

- placed the decal on a paper towel for a couple of seconds

- Carefully slid the decal onto the already wet side of the model

- Using a SOFT brush, I applied Microsol (bottle with red letters) to the decal. All over. I also used the brush to work the decal into place. I cut small relief cuts into the wheelwell parts of the decal

- I let the Microsol work for a bit, then took a hair dryer and started applying heat to the decal. I worked in very short bursts

- I used a soft cloth to press out small wrinkles in the decal

- and then repeated the Microsol, hair dryer, and cloth cycle. It didn't take too terribly long for the decal to settle down and look smooth


I found a nice cup warmer with a digital control on Amazon last fall, I bought it to do the vermillion decals on the Petty Olds. I ran really hot tap water with the drop of dish liquid and put the small bowl of hot water on the cup warmer at the highest setting. It worked great.

Steve Salhany wrote:
The chrome is the real stuff.

I don't have a '71 kit yet so I can't speak to what's going to be in it, but I would assume the same set of grilles and inserts will be in there. I won't swear to it however.


The 120L&R grille inserts look to be '71-'72 pieces, and one of the unplated bumpers looks to have the divot in the center divider that the '71-'72 cars had so I assume those parts are there for the early versions that are coming up.
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Tom M. wrote:

The 120L&R grille inserts look to be '71-'72 pieces, and one of the unplated bumpers looks to have the divot in the center divider that the '71-'72 cars had so I assume those parts are there for the early versions that are coming up.


It looks like they covered all bases:
The part # 104A is the chromed version of the '71-'72 grill, and there is also a chrome-free version (part # not visible, but it's in Steve's 2nd photo) if you want to do the body-colored version of the 71-72 bumper. Both body-colored and chromed versions of the bumper were used by different teams at different times.

The part #104B is the '73-'74 chrome bumper, without the trim strip in the center bar. I can't recall whether any teams ran body-colored versions of the bumper on the 73-74 MY Chargers, maybe it was not used.
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Clay Kemp announced today that he will be building the #8 Earnhardt rookie car from this kit. He's doing a you tube video on it. Shouldn't be hard to find.
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AndyS wrote:
Tom M. wrote:

The 120L&R grille inserts look to be '71-'72 pieces, and one of the unplated bumpers looks to have the divot in the center divider that the '71-'72 cars had so I assume those parts are there for the early versions that are coming up.


It looks like they covered all bases:
The part # 104A is the chromed version of the '71-'72 grill, and there is also a chrome-free version (part # not visible, but it's in Steve's 2nd photo) if you want to do the body-colored version of the 71-72 bumper. Both body-colored and chromed versions of the bumper were used by different teams at different times.

The part #104B is the '73-'74 chrome bumper, without the trim strip in the center bar. I can't recall whether any teams ran body-colored versions of the bumper on the 73-74 MY Chargers, maybe it was not used.


Agreed.
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I've finished my build and have posted pics in the Showroom.
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I finally got my hands on a Charger kit. BEST effort yet. I plan on pulling out a MPC kit and comparing....but I'll be happy building the Salvinos version.
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I saw that Joe O had a bent A Pillar in his kit. In the Salvino's FB video last night, they did say they would replace a body that was bent right out of the box, just have to contact them. If that helps.
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I went and pulled a Petty MPC body from the stash. Took my digital calipers, accurate to .001 and measured both bodies. Both are correct or wrong as 99% of my measurements were exact on both bodies. I measured body height at door lines, openings, widths. Two areas were different. Salvinos A pillar is thicker, which I noted before I had one in hands, and there is a small difference around the rear quarters behind the rear wheel opening. Both are within tolerance so this is the best kit overall from Salvinos so far......if you use the MPC as a standard. Either way a good effort and sign of things to come I hope. (77 Thunderbird!!!)
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What about the Salvino chassis and engine? Can anyone post pictures of those parts?

Steve, can you post pictures of your completed chassis and engine?
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Gary66 wrote:
Only problem I have now is what to do with the 8 Amt stock '71 Charger bodies I have been saving Confused


I know what you mean. I have one of those kits. I was going to change the roof on it to make the Negre/Earnhardt #8 car. Now it seems kinda dumb to do that .
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afx wrote:
What about the Salvino chassis and engine? Can anyone post pictures of those parts?

Steve, can you post pictures of your completed chassis and engine?


The Charger chassis and engine block are the same as the OLDS and Monte Carlo kits. It does have leaf rear and torsion bar front set up. My issue with it is the HUGE transmission hump....but that has been there all along.
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Fortunately, Hemi engines are plentiful in scale. I'm trying to replace mine with the one from the AMT '68 Road Runner/ '70 Super Bee. The intake & headers seem to work with this engine, but I'm concerned that it might need adjustment because of overall height, and length (changes to the drive shaft).
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoot all you need is a set of hemi valve covers and the intake. who would be able to tell what engine block is under there.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveVan wrote:
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What about the Salvino chassis and engine? Can anyone post pictures of those parts?

Steve, can you post pictures of your completed chassis and engine?


The Charger chassis and engine block are the same as the OLDS and Monte Carlo kits. It does have leaf rear and torsion bar front set up. My issue with it is the HUGE transmission hump....but that has been there all along.


i'm with you dave. i can't stand the look of it. from what i can tell it would be a PIA to cut it out and replace it. i never tried to replace one so i don't know what to do to make a new one fit. unless you cut the whole floor pan out and replace it with a floor pan from a donor kit, like the 68 road runner or an amt t bird.
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