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bangor boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:22 pm    Post subject: Ford 427 engine question Reply with quote

I'm looking to do a '68 Torino build and the resident engine is the 427.

I have the Polar Lights Talladoogies of Petty and Pearson and the Mercury Spoiler II of Cale that all offer a 427 engine option. But none show any part or placement for the coolant overflow tank for that engine.

Any suggestions where such an item can be had are gratefully appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the older Fords such as Galaxies, had an expansion tank that came off the front of the intake where the thermostat would go. That was on street cars, not sure about race cars.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got it, Pontiac.

That's the exact item I was mentioning. Not exactly an easy item to find in kits or with third-party resin marketers.

And that's the exact car I'm looking to build. Probably a call for custom decals. Hello, Polecat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polar Lights makes a kit for this car.

I think I have a set of Fred Cady decals...let me check. See if these will work.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293623709276
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the overflow tank is in the Polar Lights kit but it is in the 69 AMT Torino stock kit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james220 wrote:
I don't think the overflow tank is in the Polar Lights kit but it is in the 69 AMT Torino stock kit.


Do you know which particular kit?

Gerald
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its in all the 69 Torino kits. Mine all have the Red Torino on the box except for a couple but I think it's in them also. Might be in the 65/66 Galaxie but not sure. Ned Jarrett ran the expansion tank on his 65 Galaxie. It was use on most of the Ford Stock cars through the sixties with the 427. Tom Moody or Dr. Craft probably knows for sure
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james220 wrote:
I think its in all the 69 Torino kits. Mine all have the Red Torino on the box except for a couple but I think it's in them also. Might be in the 65/66 Galaxie but not sure. Ned Jarrett ran the expansion tank on his 65 Galaxie. It was use on most of the Ford Stock cars through the sixties with the 427. Tom Moody or Dr. Craft probably knows for sure


You are correct Sir! The Galaxie kits do have the tank
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhstRider68 wrote:
Polar Lights makes a kit for this car.

I think I have a set of Fred Cady decals...let me check. See if these will work.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293623709276


Nay, laddie. Polar Lights and Fred Cady are all about the '69 Torino Cobra/Talladega. It's the '68 I'm looking to do. PL doesn't offer the overflow tank with its 427 option and no one makes decals for it. And that's because the '68 Torino is a very hard-to-find kit nowadays.

So many great past champions' cars - '51, '54, '58, '59, '61, '63, and '68 - but the options to build them vary widely, from near impossible ('54, Chrysler New Yorker) to fairly easy ('51 Hudson, '61 Chev Bel Air). Very few offerings from decal makers to let us build them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What am I missing here?

The 68 and 69 Torino's are so similar. Can't you use the 69 model and make it a 68 very easily?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hart resin parts make a very nice front grille and rear bumper for the 68 Torino. If you are doing a stock car you will need to remove the Ford crest in the front grille. The interior for the stock Torino is also a little different. Yesterday made decals for the Bobby Allison Torino probably hard to find. Isn't the marker lights and grille the only difference on the exterior between the 68 and 69 ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bangerboy if it's the tank your looking for it comes in the Revell Monogram parts pack of the 427 engine. It builds up to decent engine as well.

Check e-bay ,or I could part with one of mine.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onre item missing is that Ford 427 engines ran in 1957 and 68 had a dual 4 barrel tunnel port intake and heads. The heads look the same outwardly but the intake is quite different.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill J wrote:
Onre item missing is that Ford 427 engines ran in 1957 and 68 had a dual 4 barrel tunnel port intake and heads. The heads look the same outwardly but the intake is quite different.



An difficult to replicate!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two different AMT '68 Torino kits - one pre-built in race mode, the other in the box with options for street or race - and they each offer the two-carb options. With matching racing mode air cleaners. And dry sumps!

But thanks for pointing this out. I'm just getting everything together and this helps. I sure don't have headers to match what you're showing in those pictures.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taz wrote:
Bangerboy if it's the tank your looking for it comes in the Revell Monogram parts pack of the 427 engine. It builds up to decent engine as well.

Check e-bay ,or I could part with one of mine.

Ron


Thanks, Ron. May take you up on that offer. One of my '68 kits has it, the other doesn't. Rooting through the stash to see what else I have but pressed for time. Cottage country calls. Time to launch the boat - a classic '80 Glastron Carlson CVZ(ed) 19.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks awesome...what lake are you on?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangor boy wrote:
I have two different AMT '68 Torino kits - one pre-built in race mode, the other in the box with options for street or race - and they each offer the two-carb options. With matching racing mode air cleaners. And dry sumps!

But thanks for pointing this out. I'm just getting everything together and this helps. I sure don't have headers to match what you're showing in those pictures.


The oil pan is not a dry sump but a flattened out, wide pan for high capacity. The Boss 429 had the first dry sump system used in NASCAR. The headers were single layer to allow more ground clearance and similar ones were made for the Boss 429.
I used the manifold from a 60 Ford kit for this engine in a 68 Mercury. Not totally correct but good details.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill,
That looks really good!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Gerald Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So thats what those gold stripe tires look like! I have a Fred Cady decal with the gold and blue tire stripes but didn't know thats what they were for! Thanks for educating me!
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Gold is Firestone, Blue is Goodyear.
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