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JWVD5953
Joined: 06 Nov 2018 Posts: 365 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:14 pm Post subject: 68 Petty Roadrunner |
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I was going to try this a year ago and it stalled. I just purchased the kit and need some good images mainly of the roll cage and engine. Thanks.---John
_________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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JWVD5953
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks!!! That's a start, now I have to decide between black or white roof.---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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AdamtheWayne
Joined: 09 Jul 2018 Posts: 1182
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Black roof was Daytona 500, white top was Firecracker. Interior and roll bars were Petty blue, as became the norm for many years. _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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JWVD5953
Joined: 06 Nov 2018 Posts: 365 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, did Richard get the duct tape on the roof idea from watching Red Green? Most ingenious!---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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JWVD5953 wrote: | Thanks, did Richard get the duct tape on the roof idea from watching Red Green? Most ingenious!---John | Hey, we all know Richard's no looker and... if them women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy!
(P.S. Are you considering the sealed pan version?) _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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JWVD5953
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen that picture somewhere in the past, aerodynamics? Which car had this "futuristic" approach? Daytona?---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Daytona. You can see the black top in the upper right corner. There's a bunch of underside photos on the Peterson archive site but obviously they can't be posted here. It was pretty extensively covered underneath from what I can tell, including the driver's area floor as well. I don't know what the end results were but, it seems to me that would make the car too slick, too loose. Never heard of them doing it more than the once so I don't know if the car remained like that the rest of the year. It would stand to reason NASCAR wouldn't let something like that go on for very long. _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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BVAUGHN
Joined: 29 Jan 2018 Posts: 505
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Remember Chrysler asked other Plymouth teams not to park next to Petty at Daytona due to modification on his car.
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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BVAUGHN wrote: | Remember Chrysler asked other Plymouth teams not to park next to Petty at Daytona due to modification on his car.
Bill | Now there's a neat nugget! I never heard that one before. _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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james220
Joined: 29 Jan 2018 Posts: 162 Location: Roanoke VA
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Yunick's Chevelle had the same smooth belly pan at the 68 Daytona race and was listed as one of the ten things he needed to remove. : |
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odcics2
Joined: 09 Feb 2018 Posts: 283
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:14 am Post subject: |
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The floorpan was extensively modified from the front firewall to the rear firewall.
It didn't appear to be add on panels, but the actual floor was changed.
Ingenious. Only car that could run with the fastback fords.
The extreme rake and laid back grille (bumper actually pulled forward)
got a laminar flow over the car, cutting drag.
All the underhood bars were unique to the car, because of the dropped front.
Certain angles make the wheels look tucked in, because they were!
Another trick that re-surfaced when Bill Elliots's 1985 Ford narrow bodied T-Bird ruled. |
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odcics2
Joined: 09 Feb 2018 Posts: 283
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:18 am Post subject: |
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AdamtheWayne wrote: | JWVD5953 wrote: | Thanks, did Richard get the duct tape on the roof idea from watching Red Green? Most ingenious!---John | Hey, we all know Richard's no looker and... if them women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy!
(P.S. Are you considering the sealed pan version?) |
I was at MIS in 1975 and the women were all over Richard!
Same thing at his birthday party a year later at Daytona. |
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George Andrews
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 461
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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BVAUGHN wrote: | Remember Chrysler asked other Plymouth teams not to park next to Petty at Daytona due to modification on his car.
Bill |
Looking at the picture of the underside rear of the Petty # 43 Plymouth, in the far left of frame is the lettering Spl. and the triangle rear side window of the # 71 K & K Insurance Spl. |
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sccachallenger
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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odcics2 wrote: | The floorpan was extensively modified from the front firewall to the rear firewall.
It didn't appear to be add on panels, but the actual floor was changed.
Ingenious. Only car that could run with the fastback fords.
The extreme rake and laid back grille (bumper actually pulled forward)
got a laminar flow over the car, cutting drag.
All the underhood bars were unique to the car, because of the dropped front.
Certain angles make the wheels look tucked in, because they were!
Another trick that re-surfaced when Bill Elliots's 1985 Ford narrow bodied T-Bird ruled. |
Pretty sure both inner fenders, and stock radiator support were gone by '68 also.
Not that they would've fit |
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odcics2
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, for sure, the inner fenders and production rad supports are gone.
Nichels built cars were the same...
But the Petty car was "squashed" down in front! |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
Joined: 01 Feb 2018 Posts: 606
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Craft asked me to post these photos for him. I believe most were collected from the Petersen archives, they have some detail shots of the underhood, chassis, and exterior.
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odcics2
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:05 am Post subject: |
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A work of art. |
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john843
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 607 Location: S.C. Lowcountry
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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odcics2 wrote: | A work of art. |
Very true! You've got to love the attention to detail around the spring hangers, among other spots.
John |
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JWVD5953
Joined: 06 Nov 2018 Posts: 365 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks much!!!! Great detail on the "aero design" under the chassis! How many races before NASCAR stopped this?---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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JWVD5953
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I am starting to gather parts for this project. Who sells the proper tires and rims for this beast, Does Mike's?---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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JWVD5953 wrote: | I am starting to gather parts for this project. Who sells the proper tires and rims for this beast, Does Mike's?---John |
Mike's sells the Plastic Performance Products wheels and tires, which are as close as you can get. |
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JWVD5953
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks-that would be Holman-Moody 10 inch wheels 1965-69?---John _________________ I hear the voices and obey |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Very good products too. Those Goodyear Blue Streaks look great on a Petty Blue car. |
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joe b
Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Posts: 209 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:08 am Post subject: |
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i too have this build part started and sitting on the shelf. what i would like to know also is where to get those little road runner decals that you see in the photo of the rear pillar/post. that is one of the things that stopped me from finishing it. that and what to use to stipple the black painted roof.
also i heard the roof was narrowed. i sawed my body right down the middle to remove some material.
joe |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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joe b wrote: | i too have this build part started and sitting on the shelf. what i would like to know also is where to get those little road runner decals that you see in the photo of the rear pillar/post. that is one of the things that stopped me from finishing it. that and what to use to stipple the black painted roof.
also i heard the roof was narrowed. i sawed my body right down the middle to remove some material.
joe |
The Powerslide sheet for the '68 Petty cars has the little Roadrunner decals. |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Tom M. wrote: | joe b wrote: | i too have this build part started and sitting on the shelf. what i would like to know also is where to get those little road runner decals that you see in the photo of the rear pillar/post. that is one of the things that stopped me from finishing it. that and what to use to stipple the black painted roof.
also i heard the roof was narrowed. i sawed my body right down the middle to remove some material.
joe |
The Powerslide sheet for the '68 Petty cars has the little Roadrunner decals. | For the roof, try Krylon "Hammered" black. _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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Shepard327
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think I read somewhere that the vinyl roof was to pull attention away from some other mods that were done to the car. it didn't help as seen in the pics with duct tape and then the King taking a hammer to the upper windshield frame. you don't win 200 races without pushing the rules. |
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AdamtheWayne
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Shepard327 wrote: | I think I read somewhere that the vinyl roof was to pull attention away from some other mods that were done to the car. it didn't help as seen in the pics with duct tape and then the King taking a hammer to the upper windshield frame. you don't win 200 races without pushing the rules. | It wasn't vinyl, nor was it done to distract. It was an experiment using a paint that dimpled and looked much like the surface of a golf ball. This was done on the theory it would break up the air better. The break around the window was a bad weld that allowed the roof to lift at speed.
As an aside, "Hammered black" paint will have way too large of dimples. _________________ "Dude, it's not Camelot... it's only a model." "Details man, I need details!!" |
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George Andrews
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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AdamtheWayne wrote: | Shepard327 wrote: | I think I read somewhere that the vinyl roof was to pull attention away from some other mods that were done to the car. it didn't help as seen in the pics with duct tape and then the King taking a hammer to the upper windshield frame. you don't win 200 races without pushing the rules. | It wasn't vinyl, nor was it done to distract. It was an experiment using a paint that dimpled and looked much like the surface of a golf ball. This was done on the theory it would break up the air better. |
Also known as The Boundary Layer Effect, the same reason for the 1970 Dodge Challenger hood scoop being elevated a few inches above the hood. Chrysler gained much knowledge from their NASA efforts.
A rumor persists that the # 43 Roadrunner roof panel came loose from the windshield header - due to a bit TOO MUCH Acid Dipping causing a weakening of the body shell. |
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odcics2
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Vintage articles had the other teams wondering WHY the black roof??
They looked up instead of under.
So many things done to this car: bumper pulled forward, front chopped & lowered, underside "cleaned up", narrowed?? Possibly.
Body was moved on the chassis.
Look at back view, tires are tucked in along with the spring moved inboard!
A rolling work of art!!! |
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joe b
Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Posts: 209 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Tom M. wrote: | joe b wrote: | i too have this build part started and sitting on the shelf. what i would like to know also is where to get those little road runner decals that you see in the photo of the rear pillar/post. that is one of the things that stopped me from finishing it. that and what to use to stipple the black painted roof.
also i heard the roof was narrowed. i sawed my body right down the middle to remove some material.
joe |
The Powerslide sheet for the '68 Petty cars has the little Roadrunner decals. |
thanks tom. i didn't even know mikes had done this sheet. _________________ Joined Jan 30, 2008
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