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Goodwrench3
Joined: 02 Jan 2019 Posts: 63
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:33 pm Post subject: Help with '87 - '88 Ford engines ? |
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Hi all:
I've built mainly '80's Chevy and Buicks up to now.
Can someone give me a link to any 1:1 photos of these '87 - '88 Ford NASCAR engines ? I'm looking for paint colors.
I know the blocks in the early '80's were rarely painted -- just bare cast iron. I'm guessing the heads by '87 were aluminum. And the part that I've drawn a box around in the photo ? I'm guessing that's the dry sump pan (it ain't like the GM pans) ? Color ?
Any actual photos would be appreciated !
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john843
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 607 Location: S.C. Lowcountry
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Goodwrench3
Joined: 02 Jan 2019 Posts: 63
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks -- I did see that in my searches. I'm more interested in the bottom end of the engine and the transmission. |
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Les Mosher
Joined: 29 Jan 2018 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I remember years ago, an article in "STOCK CAR" magazine showing pictures of Davey Allisons' Thunderbird Cup car. The engine block was painted blue (ford engine blue?), aluminum intake and cast aluminum valve covers. I don't have the article anymore, sorry. I believe the time frame was about 1990. HTH!! Good Luck!! |
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Goodwrench3
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks -- maybe by 1990 they started spending the extra money to paint the engine blocks ? In the 1980's (at least the early 80's), the GM blocks were bare cast iron. It was rare to see any paint on them.
It seems pretty hard to get actual photos that show the BOTTOM of the engine -- where the dry sump pan is though. I have photos like this of the GM engines (my FAV is one where Dale Sr. is wrenching on one in the shop -- excellent shot). |
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BW
Joined: 01 Feb 2018 Posts: 218 Location: Lick Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Goodwrench3. Here's some bottom engine photos of a late '80s Chevy Monte Carlo. (Terry Labonte) Should be about the same for '80s Ford.
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Looks like a gold colored Moroso oil pan. Hope these help.
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Goodwrench3
Joined: 02 Jan 2019 Posts: 63
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks --
So, now I've seen aluminum, black, blue, and now gold !
I'm wondering if those Labonte Monte pics were of a restoration car ? or a real one? Often those restoration jobs have more "bling" than the real deal. |
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Dfitz
Joined: 23 Jan 2019 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Most of the Ford drysump pans I’ve seen were
black paint or some version of stainless steel
( mill finished or polished ) . NASCAR required
a steel pan. The bell housings were magnesium
(dark gray) or cast aluminum. Most blocks were
unpainted, some were, builders choice.
Stainless headers looked brownish after use.
Intakes and cylinder heads were as cast.
Valve covers - cast aluminum-polished aluminum
cast magnesium (EEI) or fabricated sheet metal.
Not sure of the date but early 90’s on the driveshafts
should be white.
Hope this helps |
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Goodwrench3
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks !
RE: "Not sure of the date but early 90’s on the driveshafts "
Yes I remember the exact race where that change was made (it was in the 80's - the race is on You Tube). It was the one where a car dropped a drive shaft on the track and Earnhardt got a piece of it in the windshield. He was cut and bloody in the car, but -- as one commentator put it -- "he's tougher'n a pine stump !"
Good info -- I didn't realize NASCAR required a steel dry sump pan. |
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Goodwrench3
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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So in that pic of the Labonte Monte... that gold Moroso dry sump pan -- is that a steel pan anodized gold ? |
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Irish Murphy
Joined: 28 Jan 2018 Posts: 47 Location: Upstate SC
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Goodwrench3 wrote: | So in that pic of the Labonte Monte... that gold Moroso dry sump pan -- is that a steel pan anodized gold ? | Most likely a zinc coated steel pan. Anodizing is usually for aluminum. I say it’s steel because an aluminum one would have been cast and therefore too prone to busting from debris. |
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Irish Murphy
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Goodwrench3 wrote: | So in that pic of the Labonte Monte... that gold Moroso dry sump pan -- is that a steel pan anodized gold ? | Most likely a zinc coated steel pan. Anodizing is usually for aluminum. I say it’s steel because an aluminum one would have been cast and therefore too prone to busting from debris. |
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joe b
Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Posts: 209 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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BW wrote: | Hey Goodwrench3. Here's some bottom engine photos of a late '80s Chevy Monte Carlo. (Terry Labonte) Should be about the same for '80s Ford.
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Looks like a gold colored Moroso oil pan. Hope these help.
Bobby |
bobby that chassis looks like a ford chassis not a gm. looks exactly like the old monogram ford kits |
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scatpack
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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joe b wrote: | BW wrote: | Hey Goodwrench3. Here's some bottom engine photos of a late '80s Chevy Monte Carlo. (Terry Labonte) Should be about the same for '80s Ford.
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Looks like a gold colored Moroso oil pan. Hope these help.
Bobby |
bobby that chassis looks like a ford chassis not a gm. looks exactly like the old monogram ford kits |
Rear steer chassis, I would assume built by Banjo Mathews (?) for Junior Johnson. Chassis would pretty much be the same for a Chevy/Ford. |
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Goodwrench3
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Also interesting that the bell housing is more of a magnesium color vs. the dark red ones that are in the pics from the early-mid 80's Wrangler Chevy engine pics that I have. |
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Dfitz
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:50 am Post subject: |
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The red bellhousings were blowproof steel units.
Childress ran mechanical clutch linkage long
after the hydraulic assemblies showed up. |
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Tom M. Board Moderator
Joined: 01 Feb 2018 Posts: 604
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think the red or black hydroformed containment bell housings went away when they went to the small multi-disc clutch units. Those were essentially immune from flying apart because they were so small and light.
The gold on the pan is basically the same finish as the gold on carburetor linkages and factory power brake boosters. |
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bcs1973
Joined: 02 Mar 2018 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a little late to the party, but if you PM me I'll send photos of an article from a ford SVO book in 1986. It shows photos of a buildup at The Elliott's shop. At the moment I can't post the photos, but someone else could. A couple of interesting things include the fact that the engine used a front motor plate rather than the standard mounts. Also, Bill's dry sump tank was behind the of wheel, not in the trunk like the monogram models. There are some good plumbing shots as well.[/img] |
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joe b
Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Posts: 209 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:10 am Post subject: ford engine |
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hey bcs i would be interested in seeing those elliott engine photos. i plan on building an 87 ford at some point
thanks- joe b |
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bcs1973
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Joe, Shoot me a PM with an e-mail address and I can send them to you.
Brian |
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Goodwrench3
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:16 pm Post subject: Ford '89 valve covers |
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Hey -- it looks like some of the teams around the '88-'89 period were running these valve covers. Were these more of a flat black or gunmetal color ?
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bcs1973
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I don't recall seeing black in any photos back then, most of the ones I have seen are aluminum. The black ones I have seen are aluminum Satin--or in some rare cases Wrinkle. |
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