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  Topic: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
Rob de Bie

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PostForum: Street and Muscle Cars   Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:21 am   Subject: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
Try here Rob:

https://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar-forum/threads/the-chrysler-kit-car.24172/

https://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar-forum/attachments/img_5233-jpg.106254/

Be sure to check the l ...
  Topic: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
Rob de Bie

Replies: 4
Views: 2069

PostForum: Street and Muscle Cars   Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:51 am   Subject: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
Nice to meet you here, Dwayne Smile

I already looked at the websites of the sheet metal suppliers, and found a few reasonable photos. But they don't lend themselves to doing measurements. Honestly, I ...
  Topic: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
Rob de Bie

Replies: 4
Views: 2069

PostForum: Street and Muscle Cars   Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:46 am   Subject: Anyone here with a full-size 1967–1976 Dodge Dart or simil
I want to build an AMT 'Chrysler kit car' model as a chassis only, less sheet metal, just like you could order back then. I'm slowly understanding the real kit car, and what AMT made of it. One of the ...
  Topic: Elliott 1985 Thunderbird with lots of mods
Rob de Bie

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PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 3:42 pm   Subject: Elliott 1985 Thunderbird with lots of mods
Thanks for the comments! Yes, I spent way too much time on the model. It must admit it's more a study of shapes and corrective measures than a desperate drive to build this particular car accurately. ...
  Topic: Elliott 1985 Thunderbird with lots of mods
Rob de Bie

Replies: 4
Views: 4451

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 2:50 pm   Subject: Elliott 1985 Thunderbird with lots of mods
I've been working on an Elliott 1985 Thunderbird for a long time, and I've shown bits and pieces on this forum. Yesterday I finally made the build / in-progress report presentable, and it's online now ...
  Topic: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Rob de Bie

Replies: 6
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PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:15 am   Subject: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Just found a bit of information in 'Anatomy & development of the stock car' page 146:

"Now this last year [1992], when the strut front end came out, a lot of guys who knew the real tricks ...
  Topic: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Rob de Bie

Replies: 6
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PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:33 am   Subject: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Thanks! An excellent point about those unique headers, another sign that they researched the actual Waltrip car.

Rob
  Topic: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Rob de Bie

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PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 7:22 am   Subject: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Thanks! That's an excellent point about the oil pan location, hadn't thought about that.

And indeed it's a good idea to look at the companion kits issued around the same time, like the Buddy Baker ...
  Topic: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Rob de Bie

Replies: 6
Views: 5326

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 7:12 am   Subject: Banjo vs Laughlin chassis in 1981/1982 Waltrip car
Last night I watched this video op the 'Luka See' channel, about swapping the Banjo Matthews chassis for a Mike Laughlin chassis and vice versa, in the early Monogram NASCAR models:

https://www.you ...
  Topic: Tips for building Bill Elliott 1985 Coors Thunderbird?
Rob de Bie

Replies: 2
Views: 6369

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:53 pm   Subject: Tips for building Bill Elliott 1985 Coors Thunderbird?
You've seen my conversion-in-progress in the other thread (the white body). I gathered a lot of information and put it on this page:

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/tbird.htm

That page do ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:44 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
I just found this YouTube video:

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/images/tbird-98.jpg

Rob
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:15 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Out of curiosity I tried the calculate the advantage. For my modified T-bird model I calculated (roughly) a 2.13 sqm frontal area. If I add two inch wider fenders, I get 2.19 sqm.

2.19 divided by 2 ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:55 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
For years I have heard the story of Bills narrow-bird as well as Petty's narrow Charger and Roadrunner's and others. I know
Smokey did a lot of rule pushing probably with his 59-62 Pontiac's but nev ...
  Topic: Vector Graphics Software
Rob de Bie

Replies: 9
Views: 9291

PostForum: Nascar Modeling Discussion   Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:52 pm   Subject: Re: Vector Graphics Software
I'm trying to learn to use this technology and I am struggling. I'm a retired computer geek so technology is not a problem, I just can't seem to have that "AHA" moment. I'm currently messi ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:42 pm   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
rob, i've been playing with casting too and been having problems with air bubbles also. what do you do to avoid them short of using a vacume chamber? also what did you learn about one piece molds? i ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:51 pm   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
I finally found an unbuilt kit with a white body, so I could finally photograph them side by side:

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/images/tbird-127.jpg

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/mod ...
  Topic: Windshield of the Monogram 83-86 T-bird too flat?
Rob de Bie

Replies: 2
Views: 6027

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:48 pm   Subject: Windshield of the Monogram 83-86 T-bird too flat?
If you look at some reference pics of the actual race cars, there's a cowl panel piece that is omitted on the model kit cars, that has a rectangular opening in the center of the cowl panel for fresh a ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:42 pm   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
I've checked the newer 'Bird kits, they have different front clips, mainly the lower control arms are a different type. Not correct for the 'Bird you're building. The tire/wheel assembly is actually w ...
  Topic: Windshield of the Monogram 83-86 T-bird too flat?
Rob de Bie

Replies: 2
Views: 6027

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:32 am   Subject: Windshield of the Monogram 83-86 T-bird too flat?
I'm building and converting a Monogram 83-86 T-bird to represent Bill Elliott's 1985 Daytona car. The latest detail I noted is how flat the windshield looks:

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/ ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:24 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Hey Rob, what resin are you using using for your wheels, polyurethane or polyesther?

Thank you for bringing back this topic!
These are very old castings, when I still used epoxy resin. I guess the ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:44 pm   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
As I posted previously, you could razor saw the lower control arms from the front steering, and suspension components, then square them to the desired wheel base length, and front track by removing ma ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:40 pm   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
I looked at Monogram built 'Birds from various newer models, and a built AMT 'Bird, and not seeing any difference in track width in any of them. There is a difference in wheel base, with the Monogram ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 pm   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
A brief update: this afternoon I removed the boss of one of my resin wheels, and the fit on the car (including brake disc) looks quite promising. The steering arm is in the way, I'll have to modify th ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:33 pm   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
I would try the AMT chassis snout or possibly the entire chassis for this project. I've not measured the differences of 1/25 vs 1/24 but by eye both kits have there own advantages.
This is a Monogram ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:49 pm   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
A brief update: this afternoon I removed the boss of one of my resin wheels, and the fit on the car (including brake disc) looks quite promising. The steering arm is in the way, I'll have to modify th ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:28 am   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Sorry guys, I hadn't noticed there were so many replies! Thanks to all who commented.

I narrowed my Thunderbird body until it (more or less) agreed with photos of the 1985 Daytona race. The kit had ...
  Topic: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
Rob de Bie

Replies: 16
Views: 17768

PostForum: Grayside Racers Corner 1973 - 1989   Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:39 pm   Subject: Wheel track of Monogram Nascar kits
I'm building Bill Elliott's T-bird as driven in the 1985 Daytona race. I've changed the Monogram kit body heavily to give it a much narrower body, like I see in the photos.

https://robdebie.home.x ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:28 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
One problem you may encounter concerns the body sitting too high on the chassis. On my T-Bird I found that the door ledges were too thick, and sat on top of the upper door roll bars. I thinned down th ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:25 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
The track, and wheel base are easy to adjust. No need to get scale calipers out. You mentioned the rear suspension components have built in adjustments. I think everything is close enough in the kit c ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:23 pm   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
My girl friend's Mom passed, and I'm with her now at her home at the beach. Away from my kits, so haven't got to look at that part of my feasibility study, yet. Will also try to get some side by side ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:31 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
I was actually mulling over the idea of using one of the newer 90's something 'Bird chassis that is more detailed, and better in several aspects than the older 'Bird chassis. Tom, what's your take on ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:28 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Thanks for bringing this back!

Regarding that issue with the front end - should we assume that the correct alignment would have the center of the spindles on-center with the frame crossmember? (whi ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:42 am   Subject: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Don't forget to stretch the wheelbase of the kit chassis. It's always been too short.

There's also this problem:

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/images/tbird-47.jpg

It messes up the w ...
  Topic: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
Rob de Bie

Replies: 33
Views: 35750

PostForum: The Fab Shop   Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:39 am   Subject: Re: Bill's narrowed up speedway 'Birds
There was a board member here that went to great lengths in an attempt to achieve an accurate representation of this "Awesome" ride, and his efforts inspired me to do a feasibility study of ...
 
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